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"Religion is the opiate of the masses"
-- Karl Marx



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Given 2011-09-01
Suggester Says Just for those colours alone: a moment of stained glass beauty reflected.
Religion Drug by *Ryuukotsu ( Suggested by ~dutchshun and Featured by ^Kaz-D )

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:iconjangleman12:
Wasn't it Stalin that said that about religion? I suppose he could have been quoting Marx, or I may just be mistaken
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:iconaegiandyad:
Unique, even amongst water drop macros. A highly effective commentary on the trappings and state of religion at the popular level. Marx didn't call it 'the opium of the masses' for nothing. I do have faith, myself, but art is art. If religions don't want to be insulted or affronted then their practioners should practice what they preach.
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:iconvahldeer:
Faith in what?(Legit question) I'm Christian [Non-denominational]

For me, Religion vs Science isn't a question of "who is right" but "how tolerant are you of other ideas?". For instance: Vivisection is considered amoral to many people, just like stoning people is considered amoral. Some people strongly believe that Religion will be replaced by logic and science, but to me that's just as fanciful as believing we don't use language or thought because we used those during our earlier years. The 'evidence' they have that this will happen is that other cultures (Such as Greece and Rome) "lost" their religions, when the truth is that the government (In the case of the Roman Empire) stopped propagating them in favor of using Christianity.
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:iconaegiandyad:
Science is beginning to come up against its limitations. The most recent New Scientist cover headline was "WE have run out of explanation for the Universe", a frank admission of current bafflement combined with a lack of really good new directions in which to search for one. Kurt Godel had already admitted the fundamental ignorance of mathematics with his 'incompleteness theorem', and Heisenberg dispelled all hope that scientific observation could be used to obtain compete knowledge of any quantum system. Richard Feynman even questioned whether there could be a single definite 'past' or histort for the path of any quantum 'particle'. Those who would explain the Universe without recourse to a creating and sustain God have eventually resorted to a physical theory so profligate in its invention of new unobservable realities [infinite numbers of 'branching' universes in an inconveivable vast multiverse, for instance...] that belief in God seems like a modest proposal in comparison. Rewligions go out of date because people accept eventually that 'primitive' or naive religions are unlucky to be true. Myths are eventually accepted as 'convenient fictions' whose origins have been lost in the mists of time. Wise men have always known that we need a more sophisticated approach. The danger os of throwing the baby out withthe bath water and rejecting all notions of God altogether.

If there is oneliteral 'mythic' truth I do believe in it is the resurrection of Jesus Christ. We have four 'canonical' written accounts of the life and death of Jesus which all insist that he rose again. The 'legend' of doubting Thomas insists that He was palpaple, audible and visible, conversed at length with at least two of his follwers, sat dow to a meal, etc. Unfortunately the subsequent account of His being 'taken up out of their site' is not very illuminating when it comes to what we should believe about Jesus now. What I do believe in is someything like 'theprovidence of God'. If the evolution of embodied consciousness was 'deliberate' instead of totally accidental, as Dawkins et al keep telling us, then there is somewhere for it to go, some transcendental truth it can rightfully aspire to, disoveries still to be made, possibilities for life still unexplore, endless potential, and above all hope that we are not all headed for some tewrminal disaster after having led a temporary and largely miserable and pointless existence.

If we are to believe in reason it must be used reasonably. To deny God is to deny that there IS a reason for ANYTHING. Existentialists may say that we can invent our own purposes and reasons and can live 'authentically' even if the large schem of things is not a 'scheme' as such and has no end point towards which progress is being made. The notion that creation has a purpose is called 'teleology' and denied by science, not because there definitely is no purpose, but because, form the inside, we cannot know the purpose and so science regards such speculation as futile and unscientific. Life proceeds as if there were no purpose beyond survival and reproduction. And so reason digs away its own foundations and becomes unreasonable for fear of going beyond its evidence. When the great atheistic philospher Bertrand Russel was asked what he would say to God about his lack of belief if he turned out to survive death and stand in God's presence he replied, "You did not give me enough evidence!" What would he have accepted as proof? There can be no proof this side of the grave. How much evidence to we need, anyway? We have the created universe and the words and deeds of Jesus Christ that have been believed in by the faithful for 2,000 years. Biblical literalism is obviously wrong. Read The Book of The Book' by Kahlil Gibran [link] and you will see why for yourself.

This reply has been long because the subject is ultimately serious.Our religion used to be a main source of beauty, awe inspiring ceremony, 'smells and bells', and spiritual uplift and inspiration that the people came to get a 'fix' of every Sunday in magnificent ecclesiastical buildings. This is what ytour deviation refers to; the need, and what used to be and still, for some people, is the supply. If the drug is wearing off or causing habituation then we may need a new formulation, but the genuine joy seen in Rome on the election of a new Pope seems to indicate that many still have a use an need for the 'old time religion. As Beefheart sings in 'Moonlight On Vermont' [link] [link in artist's notes], "Gimme that Ole time religion. It's good enough for me... it's good enough you."
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:iconvahldeer:
It's nice to see that you're willing to explain what you know! I don't have enough time to get in to most of my Church events, which is why I keep trying to find an outlet for these sorts of things. There's been so many people that I've tried to speak with, but I never quite got anything like this: It was mostly people waiting for me to say something, then giving their on-the-spot opinion of my thinking.

Thanks for replying, I'll be thinking about this for quite a while.
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:iconaegiandyad:
I nearly cried when I saw how many stupid typos there were in my comment. I suppose if dA let you edit comments there would be chaos. Humanity puzzles me. Some people see no need to 'believe' anything, as if they actually had direct access to some unmediated facts. They don't. We don't. Everything we see, hear, feel, touch, smell and taste is an illusion produced by a piece of higly interconnected, massively parallel stochastically grown and naturally 'trained' computer wetware connected to physical sensors and effectors. If we were alone we would have no proof the outside world was even real. It might be like the MATRIX, a total illusion. But we are not alone, others share this plight with us. So many that we are convinced there is a real world because they live in it too and report having sensations and experiences just like ours. And how do we receive these reports? In written and spoken language and the practise of the arts. And what is language? A set of arbitrary signs commonly agreed upon and used to designate and describe our experiences of reality. Is it up to this task? Fundamentally, no, it isn't. Count Alfred Korzybski pointed this out in 'Science And Sanity' [link] , a giant treatise on our use of language and the errors in thinking caused thereby.

A long time ago I formulated my own 'three laws':

1. Everyone has a part of the answer. [No one can be completely wrong about everything but no one can possible know everything either.]

2. Everything is infinitely more subtle than you think. ['infinitely' is a redundant term here. The instant you increase the subtlety of your conception of reality you are faced with the fact that it is more subtle that THAT, ad infinitum.]

3.The nature of this universe is fundamentally paradoxical. [see No. 2. which is an example of a 'Zeno type infinity paradox', but self reference paradoxes also abound and there is the paradox of a non physical 'mind' affecting a physical body and gaining knowledge by the use of physical senses, which can be directly experienced, e.g. in Zen meditation, etc.]

What we need is not human pride in achievement but great humility in the face of our profound ignorance even of who and what we really are.

Alan Watts, in The Book On The Taboo Aganist Knowing Who You Are [link] wrote, "Our feeling of being an ego enclosed in a bag of skin is an hallucination which accords neither with Eastern mysticism nor Western science."

I can imagine your encountering 'nay sayers' of various kinds who simply write off all your highest opinions as being the result of 'primitive' superstition. This is lame, weak, lazy thinking which scarcely passes for philosophy. It is mere 'debunking'. Debunkers would like to eliminate the field of discourse concerned altogether by refusing to grant any reality to its existence, possibly on the grounds that mental life is easier and simpler that way, and less error prone. It is a capital error to ignore potential truths for fear of being wrong or believing something without proof. If there is proof, what need is there for belief? With proof, things are KNOWN, not merely believed. As long as there is the UNKNOWN there will be beliefs about it that could be true as well as life affirming and hopeful.
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:iconvahldeer:
Yeah, for the most part the 'nay sayers' try to denominate everything I say as stupid/childish/ridiculous, and the bulk of their commentary involves sneering at a part of my post. They never get very far in the conversation though, because there's a point where they just resign with a statement similar to "[Insert insult to judgment here/statement about 'blind faith'] so I can't help you understand that you're crazy." When despite their attempts at using their supreme logic, I manage to point out that they have contradicted themselves over and over, and aren't following their own pattern of beliefs (be it logic or science) to which they never respond.

I just don't understand why people want to continuously find and remark on the flaws that exist in people's reasoning - those are always there if you look long and hard enough. You can improve or recognize where you're not "the best" at thinking things through (some people don't care about the law that much, for instance, and might get speeding tickets because they didn't look at the speed limit sign)

Quick typo note - getting the order the letters go in wrong is actually legible if the first and last letters are the same.

It's because of this "we all have a unique point of view" that I think the question isn't Religion vs. Science, but: How much can you tolerate people of differing ideas? People might argue that Religion gets people to kill other people, but for some reason they don't stop to think about how politics are involved in the overwhelming majority of wars, as well as cruel actions. Sadly, my country [USA] decided to start itself off with one of the largest ethnic cleansing acts in the history of the world. Today, after stripping Mexico of ~45% of its territory in a war we provoked, we're a super-power. We step on smaller countries to get their resources, and we quite literally feed off of the war in other countries because we manipulate those countries to improve our economy. Now, if you walk up to us, will we just try to kill you? NO! The government and the populous are two very different things. We have been led to believe that we're doing the right thing by attacking people we are told are "very bad" - the very reason why the USA is easy to provoke. Despite the fact that these actions don't further any intention of the government besides our greed of other countries' resources or the support of our corporations, no one has brought this topic up because they prefer to blame Religion instead. "We're in the Middle East because of the terrorists" doesn't sound like a whole truth, given that the Middle East has a large oil resource that the USA is very interested in. So it's not the fact that there are some Islamic extremists that brought us to the Middle East - that just made the public approve of it - but it's the oil resources that we want to capitalize on, and now we've got an excuse to go and do it. Back to my point - people won't tolerate these points of view - my fellow Americans won't see any bad splotches on their beautiful country, nor will some cynical atheists believe that Religion isn't crazy.
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:iconaegiandyad:
No one really wants to have to re-examine their axioms, do they? They would like to identify you as some kind of liberal, no doubt... in a country where 'liberal' = 'socialist' and 'socialist' nearly = 'communist'. It was the '=' bit, the 'is' of identity, that troubled Korzybski. Nothing IS anything else in reality, only in the abstract realm of mathematics. Religion binds a man to God. It isn't necessarily crazy if God exists. Nor can we say who or what God is, or what the real truth is. It can't be written down in statements which make unequivocal sense. That was the point of The Book Of The Book. Rather than put humanity in God's place, we should recognise God's place in our humanity. I think that was the point of 'The Book On The Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are'. This is my latest deviation: [link] .
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This is quite simply amazing! Engenious!
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